non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P

Tund3r · 17-07-2006, 05:54 PM

Si prega di porre particolare attenzione agli orari ...
i minuti che intercorrono tra una giocata e l'altra sono quelli necessari a sbollire prima di riprenderne un'altra ... e a parte nel caso dell'ultima in cui ero riuscito a racimolare qualche chip non passano molte mani tra una e l'altra!

1 ...

PokerStars Game #5588161735: Tournament #28261573, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/17 - 10:51:31 (ET)
Table '28261573 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Tund3r (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: baudib (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: M_Cryus (1560 in chips)
Seat 4: Saragath (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: bernie1170 (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: zman209 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: djcrew (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: bfmania (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: durhamdon (1500 in chips)
M_Cryus: posts small blind 10
Saragath: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tund3r [8s 8d]
bernie1170: calls 20
zman209: raises 1480 to 1500 and is all-in
djcrew: folds
bfmania: folds
durhamdon: folds
Tund3r: calls 1500 and is all-in
baudib: folds
M_Cryus: folds
Saragath: folds
bernie1170: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qc 7c]
*** TURN *** [Kc Qc 7c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qc 7c 7d] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zman209: shows [Ks Ac] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Tund3r: shows [8s 8d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
zman209 collected 3050 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3050 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qc 7c 7d 6d]
Seat 1: Tund3r showed [8s 8d] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 2: baudib (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: M_Cryus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Saragath (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bernie1170 folded before Flop
Seat 6: zman209 showed [Ks Ac] and won (3050) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 7: djcrew folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bfmania folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: durhamdon folded before Flop (didn't bet)

e 2 ...

PokerStars Game #5588191844: Tournament #28261687, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/17 - 10:57:52 (ET)
Table '28261687 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: shawni7 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: diaraljaff (1270 in chips)
Seat 3: Tund3r (780 in chips)
Seat 4: AJLEOAJ (1510 in chips)
Seat 5: tmwids (1840 in chips)
Seat 6: peeker777 (1440 in chips)
Seat 7: zebulebu (2320 in chips)
Seat 8: martybone (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: noluck08 (1440 in chips)
tmwids: posts small blind 10
peeker777: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tund3r [Ks Kc]
zebulebu: folds
martybone: folds
noluck08: calls 20
shawni7: calls 20
diaraljaff: calls 20
Tund3r: raises 760 to 780 and is all-in
AJLEOAJ: folds
tmwids: raises 760 to 1540
peeker777: folds
noluck08: folds
shawni7: folds
diaraljaff: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h Qd 2c]
tmwids said, "nh"
*** TURN *** [2h Qd 2c] [As]
tmwids said, "doh"
*** RIVER *** [2h Qd 2c As] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tmwids: shows [Qs Qh] (a full house, Queens full of Deuces)
Tund3r: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
tmwids collected 1640 from pot
tmwids said, "gg"
zebulebu said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1640 | Rake 0
Board [2h Qd 2c As 3c]
Seat 1: shawni7 folded before Flop
Seat 2: diaraljaff folded before Flop
Seat 3: Tund3r showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 4: AJLEOAJ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tmwids (small blind) showed [Qs Qh] and won (1640) with a full house, Queens full of Deuces
Seat 6: peeker777 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: zebulebu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: martybone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: noluck08 folded before Flop

e 3 ... (qui ero quasi sicuro di essere underdog ... ma ... ecco ...

PokerStars Game #5588250386: Tournament #28261919, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/07/17 - 11:09:47 (ET)
Table '28261919 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: WJTILT (1520 in chips)
Seat 2: Tund3r (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: 50Tooth Slim (1380 in chips)
Seat 4: tommes77 (2010 in chips)
Seat 5: blondstack (1260 in chips)
Seat 6: AlReturnsLOL (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: Papy Léon (1220 in chips)
Seat 8: Espectador (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: I_Player_I (1560 in chips)
Papy Léon: posts small blind 15
Espectador: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tund3r [7s Qc]
I_Player_I: calls 30
WJTILT: folds
Tund3r: raises 60 to 90
50Tooth Slim: folds
tommes77: calls 90
blondstack: calls 90
AlReturnsLOL: folds
Papy Léon: calls 75
Espectador: folds
I_Player_I: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Qh 3h Jd]
Papy Léon: checks
I_Player_I: checks
Tund3r: bets 480
tommes77: calls 480
blondstack: folds
Papy Léon: raises 650 to 1130 and is all-in
I_Player_I: folds
Tund3r: calls 650
tommes77: calls 650
*** TURN *** [Qh 3h Jd] [Qs]
Tund3r: bets 360 and is all-in
tommes77: calls 360
*** RIVER *** [Qh 3h Jd Qs] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tund3r: shows [7s Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
tommes77: shows [Qd Ks] (three of a kind, Queens - King kicker)
tommes77 collected 720 from side pot
Papy Léon: shows [9h Kh] (a pair of Queens)
tommes77 collected 3870 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4590 Main pot 3870. Side pot 720. | Rake 0
Board [Qh 3h Jd Qs 8d]
Seat 1: WJTILT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Tund3r showed [7s Qc] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: 50Tooth Slim folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tommes77 showed [Qd Ks] and won (4590) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: blondstack folded on the Flop
Seat 6: AlReturnsLOL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Papy Léon (small blind) showed [9h Kh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: Espectador (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: I_Player_I folded on the Flop

e 4 ....

PokerStars Game #5588405673: Tournament #28262407, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/07/17 - 11:39:54 (ET)
Table '28262407 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: captainkegg (1275 in chips)
Seat 2: Green Tara (2860 in chips)
Seat 3: whitestack06 (1365 in chips)
Seat 4: Tund3r (2025 in chips)
Seat 5: ARALLINDR (155 in chips)
Seat 6: BobbyCop (1810 in chips)
Seat 7: foldmasta (1275 in chips)
Seat 8: Saschka13 (875 in chips)
Seat 9: canesteve (1860 in chips)
captainkegg: posts small blind 50
Green Tara: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tund3r [Ad Jh]
whitestack06: calls 100
Tund3r: raises 200 to 300
ARALLINDR: folds
BobbyCop: folds
foldmasta: folds
Saschka13: raises 575 to 875 and is all-in
canesteve: folds
captainkegg: folds
Green Tara: folds
whitestack06: folds
Tund3r: calls 575
*** FLOP *** [Kh 4h 6s]
*** TURN *** [Kh 4h 6s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 4h 6s Td] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tund3r: shows [Ad Jh] (high card Ace)
Saschka13: shows [Jc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Saschka13 collected 2000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2000 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 4h 6s Td 2h]
Seat 1: captainkegg (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Green Tara (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: whitestack06 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Tund3r showed [Ad Jh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 5: ARALLINDR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BobbyCop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: foldmasta folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Saschka13 showed [Jc Ks] and won (2000) with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: canesteve (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

qualcuno vuole competere a bad beat prese consecutive

?

Tund3r · 17-07-2006, 06:54 PM

And ... another one

PokerStars Game #5588829216: Tournament #28265204, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/07/17 - 12:51:49 (ET)
Table '28265204 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: salo15 (1470 in chips)
Seat 2: albertokim (180 in chips)
Seat 3: ddppmm (2955 in chips)
Seat 4: shooter052 (1640 in chips)
Seat 5: RobinTheHood (1330 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: djfunky (1400 in chips)
Seat 7: Hotrodj (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: canesteve (1560 in chips)
Seat 9: Tund3r (1455 in chips)
salo15: posts small blind 15
albertokim: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tund3r [Th Qs]
ddppmm: folds
shooter052: folds
RobinTheHood: folds
djfunky: folds
Hotrodj: calls 30
canesteve: folds
Tund3r: raises 90 to 120
salo15: folds
albertokim: raises 60 to 180 and is all-in
Hotrodj: folds
Tund3r: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3c 8c]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3c 8c] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3c 8c 9c] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
albertokim: shows [Jh 7s] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Tund3r: shows [Th Qs] (a pair of Tens)
albertokim collected 405 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 405 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 3c 8c 9c 4s]
Seat 1: salo15 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: albertokim (big blind) showed [Jh 7s] and won (405) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 3: ddppmm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: shooter052 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: RobinTheHood folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: djfunky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hotrodj folded before Flop
Seat 8: canesteve folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tund3r (button) showed [Th Qs] and lost with a pair of Tens

realgigio · 17-07-2006, 07:01 PM

devo dirti la verità...
la prima per me hai fatto un errore enorme...cioè chi te lo fa fare di rischiare il torneo andando a vedere un simile all-in con solo due 8...
Anche la terza si capiva abbastanza chiaramente che eri dietro...
Poi la seconda e la quarta te le concedo....rientrano nelle classicissime bad beat!

TheoVe · 17-07-2006, 11:30 PM

guarda ti assicuro che ancora te ne manmca per battermi sulle bad beat....oggi giornataccia anke io....

Tund3r · 18-07-2006, 12:25 AM

be real ... hai ragione ... cmq con 2 8 ho sempre un vantaggio anchwe se di poco ... 56% credo ... e partire un torneo con un dubleup non è male, anche perche sono turbo e ti da un po di tranquillita ...
non è tanto la singola giocata ... ma la serie che mi ha devastato ... e ho cominciato a giocare sempre piu agressivo andandomi a cercare la 3° di cui piu che altro è stupido il raise perche fino al call del primo all in ci si puo stare, era un pazzo tanto è vero che non aveva nulla ... il raise sul turn me lo chiama solo se ha una q e li sono perdente per forza ...
li per li ho sperato mi foldasse magari se aveva QT pensando che avessi QA o full che poi era l'unico out al river ... diciamo che mi sarei potuto risparmiare l'eliminazione anche se sarei rimasto un po short

palla5000 · 18-07-2006, 02:01 AM

Andiamo in ordine...

Mano n. 1
Chiamata che non ci sta. Chi te lo fa fare?
Sicuramente il raise all-in di 1.500 su buio di 20 è una giocata senza senso, ma chi te lo fa fare di seguire? Escludendo che abbia carte del tipo 45, 36, 27, PER BENE CHE TI VADA E' UN COIN FLIP, cioe' alla meglio sei al 50% (vabbe', 53% o 54%). Se invece ti va male (trovi TT, JJ) sei pesantemente sfavorito.

Mano n. 2
Ti dovrei dire che non ha senso andare in all-in di 760 su un buio di 20. Il tuo obbiettivo non e' quello di far scappare gli avversari ma quello di far loro pagare un prezzo piu' elevato delle probabilita' che hanno di batterti. Se ti comporti cosi' l'unico effetto che ottieni e' quello di far scappare le mani inferiori (33, 44, 55, 66, 77, ecc..., QJ, KQ, Ax) e di farti chiamare solamente dalle mani superiori (in questo caso limitate ad AA).
Poi, devo dire ovviamente, che dopo aver trovato il "cliente" con QQ, hai comunque subito una pessima sconfitta.

Mano n.3
Se devi rilanciare, meglio farlo con 56s che con Q7. Con Q7 corri il rischio di essere dominato (pessima condizione nel Texas) ovverosia rischi di essere chiamato da QJ, QK, QA. Se rilanci con 56 per lo meno eviti di essere chiamato da una mano che ti domina (K6, A6, Q6)

Mano n. 4
Ci sta

17-07-2006, 05:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tund3r tris Data di registrazione: May 2006 Messaggi: 272	non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P Si prega di porre particolare attenzione agli orari ... i minuti che intercorrono tra una giocata e l'altra sono quelli necessari a sbollire prima di riprenderne un'altra ... e a parte nel caso dell'ultima in cui ero riuscito a racimolare qualche chip non passano molte mani tra una e l'altra! 1 ... PokerStars Game #5588161735: Tournament #28261573, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/17 - 10:51:31 (ET) Table '28261573 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: Tund3r (1500 in chips) Seat 2: baudib (1480 in chips) Seat 3: M_Cryus (1560 in chips) Seat 4: Saragath (1500 in chips) Seat 5: bernie1170 (1460 in chips) Seat 6: zman209 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: djcrew (1500 in chips) Seat 8: bfmania (1500 in chips) Seat 9: durhamdon (1500 in chips) M_Cryus: posts small blind 10 Saragath: posts big blind 20 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Tund3r [8s 8d] bernie1170: calls 20 zman209: raises 1480 to 1500 and is all-in djcrew: folds bfmania: folds durhamdon: folds Tund3r: calls 1500 and is all-in baudib: folds M_Cryus: folds Saragath: folds bernie1170: folds * FLOP * [Kc Qc 7c] * TURN * [Kc Qc 7c] [7d] * RIVER * [Kc Qc 7c 7d] [6d] * SHOW DOWN * zman209: shows [Ks Ac] (two pair, Kings and Sevens) Tund3r: shows [8s 8d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens) zman209 collected 3050 from pot * SUMMARY * Total pot 3050 \| Rake 0 Board [Kc Qc 7c 7d 6d] Seat 1: Tund3r showed [8s 8d] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens Seat 2: baudib (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: M_Cryus (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: Saragath (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: bernie1170 folded before Flop Seat 6: zman209 showed [Ks Ac] and won (3050) with two pair, Kings and Sevens Seat 7: djcrew folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: bfmania folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: durhamdon folded before Flop (didn't bet) e 2 ... PokerStars Game #5588191844: Tournament #28261687, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/17 - 10:57:52 (ET) Table '28261687 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: shawni7 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: diaraljaff (1270 in chips) Seat 3: Tund3r (780 in chips) Seat 4: AJLEOAJ (1510 in chips) Seat 5: tmwids (1840 in chips) Seat 6: peeker777 (1440 in chips) Seat 7: zebulebu (2320 in chips) Seat 8: martybone (1400 in chips) Seat 9: noluck08 (1440 in chips) tmwids: posts small blind 10 peeker777: posts big blind 20 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Tund3r [Ks Kc] zebulebu: folds martybone: folds noluck08: calls 20 shawni7: calls 20 diaraljaff: calls 20 Tund3r: raises 760 to 780 and is all-in AJLEOAJ: folds tmwids: raises 760 to 1540 peeker777: folds noluck08: folds shawni7: folds diaraljaff: folds * FLOP * [2h Qd 2c] tmwids said, "nh" * TURN * [2h Qd 2c] [As] tmwids said, "doh" * RIVER * [2h Qd 2c As] [3c] * SHOW DOWN * tmwids: shows [Qs Qh] (a full house, Queens full of Deuces) Tund3r: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces) tmwids collected 1640 from pot tmwids said, "gg" zebulebu said, "lol" * SUMMARY * Total pot 1640 \| Rake 0 Board [2h Qd 2c As 3c] Seat 1: shawni7 folded before Flop Seat 2: diaraljaff folded before Flop Seat 3: Tund3r showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces Seat 4: AJLEOAJ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: tmwids (small blind) showed [Qs Qh] and won (1640) with a full house, Queens full of Deuces Seat 6: peeker777 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: zebulebu folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: martybone folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: noluck08 folded before Flop e 3 ... (qui ero quasi sicuro di essere underdog ... ma ... ecco ... PokerStars Game #5588250386: Tournament #28261919, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/07/17 - 11:09:47 (ET) Table '28261919 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: WJTILT (1520 in chips) Seat 2: Tund3r (1580 in chips) Seat 3: 50Tooth Slim (1380 in chips) Seat 4: tommes77 (2010 in chips) Seat 5: blondstack (1260 in chips) Seat 6: AlReturnsLOL (1470 in chips) Seat 7: Papy Léon (1220 in chips) Seat 8: Espectador (1500 in chips) Seat 9: I_Player_I (1560 in chips) Papy Léon: posts small blind 15 Espectador: posts big blind 30 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Tund3r [7s Qc] I_Player_I: calls 30 WJTILT: folds Tund3r: raises 60 to 90 50Tooth Slim: folds tommes77: calls 90 blondstack: calls 90 AlReturnsLOL: folds Papy Léon: calls 75 Espectador: folds I_Player_I: calls 60 * FLOP * [Qh 3h Jd] Papy Léon: checks I_Player_I: checks Tund3r: bets 480 tommes77: calls 480 blondstack: folds Papy Léon: raises 650 to 1130 and is all-in I_Player_I: folds Tund3r: calls 650 tommes77: calls 650 * TURN * [Qh 3h Jd] [Qs] Tund3r: bets 360 and is all-in tommes77: calls 360 * RIVER * [Qh 3h Jd Qs] [8d] * SHOW DOWN * Tund3r: shows [7s Qc] (three of a kind, Queens) tommes77: shows [Qd Ks] (three of a kind, Queens - King kicker) tommes77 collected 720 from side pot Papy Léon: shows [9h Kh] (a pair of Queens) tommes77 collected 3870 from main pot * SUMMARY * Total pot 4590 Main pot 3870. Side pot 720. \| Rake 0 Board [Qh 3h Jd Qs 8d] Seat 1: WJTILT folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Tund3r showed [7s Qc] and lost with three of a kind, Queens Seat 3: 50Tooth Slim folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: tommes77 showed [Qd Ks] and won (4590) with three of a kind, Queens Seat 5: blondstack folded on the Flop Seat 6: AlReturnsLOL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Papy Léon (small blind) showed [9h Kh] and lost with a pair of Queens Seat 8: Espectador (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: I_Player_I folded on the Flop e 4 .... PokerStars Game #5588405673: Tournament #28262407, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/07/17 - 11:39:54 (ET) Table '28262407 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: captainkegg (1275 in chips) Seat 2: Green Tara (2860 in chips) Seat 3: whitestack06 (1365 in chips) Seat 4: Tund3r (2025 in chips) Seat 5: ARALLINDR (155 in chips) Seat 6: BobbyCop (1810 in chips) Seat 7: foldmasta (1275 in chips) Seat 8: Saschka13 (875 in chips) Seat 9: canesteve (1860 in chips) captainkegg: posts small blind 50 Green Tara: posts big blind 100 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Tund3r [Ad Jh] whitestack06: calls 100 Tund3r: raises 200 to 300 ARALLINDR: folds BobbyCop: folds foldmasta: folds Saschka13: raises 575 to 875 and is all-in canesteve: folds captainkegg: folds Green Tara: folds whitestack06: folds Tund3r: calls 575 * FLOP * [Kh 4h 6s] * TURN * [Kh 4h 6s] * RIVER * [Kh 4h 6s Td] [2h] * SHOW DOWN * Tund3r: shows [Ad Jh] (high card Ace) Saschka13: shows [Jc Ks] (a pair of Kings) Saschka13 collected 2000 from pot * SUMMARY * Total pot 2000 \| Rake 0 Board [Kh 4h 6s Td 2h] Seat 1: captainkegg (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: Green Tara (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: whitestack06 folded before Flop Seat 4: Tund3r showed [Ad Jh] and lost with high card Ace Seat 5: ARALLINDR folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: BobbyCop folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: foldmasta folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Saschka13 showed [Jc Ks] and won (2000) with a pair of Kings Seat 9: canesteve (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) qualcuno vuole competere a bad beat prese consecutive? __________________ "play for time, not for money" www.italianrounders.org

17-07-2006, 06:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tund3r tris Data di registrazione: May 2006 Messaggi: 272	Re: non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P And ... another one PokerStars Game #5588829216: Tournament #28265204, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/07/17 - 12:51:49 (ET) Table '28265204 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: salo15 (1470 in chips) Seat 2: albertokim (180 in chips) Seat 3: ddppmm (2955 in chips) Seat 4: shooter052 (1640 in chips) Seat 5: RobinTheHood (1330 in chips) is sitting out Seat 6: djfunky (1400 in chips) Seat 7: Hotrodj (1510 in chips) Seat 8: canesteve (1560 in chips) Seat 9: Tund3r (1455 in chips) salo15: posts small blind 15 albertokim: posts big blind 30 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Tund3r [Th Qs] ddppmm: folds shooter052: folds RobinTheHood: folds djfunky: folds Hotrodj: calls 30 canesteve: folds Tund3r: raises 90 to 120 salo15: folds albertokim: raises 60 to 180 and is all-in Hotrodj: folds Tund3r: calls 60 * FLOP * [Tc 3c 8c] * TURN * [Tc 3c 8c] [9c] * RIVER * [Tc 3c 8c 9c] [4s] * SHOW DOWN * albertokim: shows [Jh 7s] (a straight, Seven to Jack) Tund3r: shows [Th Qs] (a pair of Tens) albertokim collected 405 from pot * SUMMARY * Total pot 405 \| Rake 0 Board [Tc 3c 8c 9c 4s] Seat 1: salo15 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: albertokim (big blind) showed [Jh 7s] and won (405) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 3: ddppmm folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: shooter052 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: RobinTheHood folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: djfunky folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Hotrodj folded before Flop Seat 8: canesteve folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Tund3r (button) showed [Th Qs] and lost with a pair of Tens __________________ "play for time, not for money" www.italianrounders.org

17-07-2006, 07:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
realgigio Scala Data di registrazione: Jan 1970 Messaggi: 468	Re: non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P devo dirti la verità... la prima per me hai fatto un errore enorme...cioè chi te lo fa fare di rischiare il torneo andando a vedere un simile all-in con solo due 8... Anche la terza si capiva abbastanza chiaramente che eri dietro... Poi la seconda e la quarta te le concedo....rientrano nelle classicissime bad beat! __________________ Royal Rounders -Associazione di Poker Sportivo www.royalrounders.org

17-07-2006, 11:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
TheoVe Moderator Data di registrazione: Jan 1970 Messaggi: 7,369	Re: non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P guarda ti assicuro che ancora te ne manmca per battermi sulle bad beat....oggi giornataccia anke io.... __________________ Per quanto si persegua la perfezione essa fortunatamente non esiste

18-07-2006, 12:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tund3r tris Data di registrazione: May 2006 Messaggi: 272	Re: non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P be real ... hai ragione ... cmq con 2 8 ho sempre un vantaggio anchwe se di poco ... 56% credo ... e partire un torneo con un dubleup non è male, anche perche sono turbo e ti da un po di tranquillita ... non è tanto la singola giocata ... ma la serie che mi ha devastato ... e ho cominciato a giocare sempre piu agressivo andandomi a cercare la 3° di cui piu che altro è stupido il raise perche fino al call del primo all in ci si puo stare, era un pazzo tanto è vero che non aveva nulla ... il raise sul turn me lo chiama solo se ha una q e li sono perdente per forza ... li per li ho sperato mi foldasse magari se aveva QT pensando che avessi QA o full che poi era l'unico out al river ... diciamo che mi sarei potuto risparmiare l'eliminazione anche se sarei rimasto un po short __________________ "play for time, not for money" www.italianrounders.org

18-07-2006, 02:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
palla5000 Scala Data di registrazione: Jan 1970 Messaggi: 498	Re: non amo farlo ... ma ora devo :P Andiamo in ordine... Mano n. 1 Chiamata che non ci sta. Chi te lo fa fare? Sicuramente il raise all-in di 1.500 su buio di 20 è una giocata senza senso, ma chi te lo fa fare di seguire? Escludendo che abbia carte del tipo 45, 36, 27, PER BENE CHE TI VADA E' UN COIN FLIP, cioe' alla meglio sei al 50% (vabbe', 53% o 54%). Se invece ti va male (trovi TT, JJ) sei pesantemente sfavorito. Mano n. 2 Ti dovrei dire che non ha senso andare in all-in di 760 su un buio di 20. Il tuo obbiettivo non e' quello di far scappare gli avversari ma quello di far loro pagare un prezzo piu' elevato delle probabilita' che hanno di batterti. Se ti comporti cosi' l'unico effetto che ottieni e' quello di far scappare le mani inferiori (33, 44, 55, 66, 77, ecc..., QJ, KQ, Ax) e di farti chiamare solamente dalle mani superiori (in questo caso limitate ad AA). Poi, devo dire ovviamente, che dopo aver trovato il "cliente" con QQ, hai comunque subito una pessima sconfitta. Mano n.3 Se devi rilanciare, meglio farlo con 56s che con Q7. Con Q7 corri il rischio di essere dominato (pessima condizione nel Texas) ovverosia rischi di essere chiamato da QJ, QK, QA. Se rilanci con 56 per lo meno eviti di essere chiamato da una mano che ti domina (K6, A6, Q6) Mano n. 4 Ci sta __________________ Il grado di civiltà di un paese è direttamente proporzionale al numero dei suoi giocatori di poker. (Paolo "Paulfish" Antonacci)

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